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"SICKENING"
From:
Tom
To: Scott Ritcher / saintclinton.com
Sent: September 20, 2004
Scott,
I will be up front in saying that I am a practicising Catholic
and that we clearly disagree on several issues. And I won't
deny that you make several valid points about the failings
of many Christians. I certainly am not immune from great
personal failings.
And I in no way wish to deny you the right to disagree and
to voice that disagreement. But the way you have chosen
to express this is greatly offensive to me. Sickening even.
Any practicising Catholic should recognize that you have
used an image of the Sacred Heart of Jesus to make your
image.
To those of us who believe, this is sacrilegious. Make Clinton
a "normal" saint with a halo and I might not like
it, and I might try to talk you out of it, but I wouldn't
be insulted, offended and sickened by it.
In all honesty, can you say that you would you superimpse
the face of "St. Bush" on a clearly recognized
picture of Martin Luther King? Or Budah? Or Muhammed?
Or one of Iraqs current well-known Imams? Or Gorbachev?
Or Jacques Chirac? Or Gerhard Schroeder? And to add insult
to injury, would you then produce products and sell them?
I hope you have the intellectual integrity to admit
that you would not create or market any of the above "St.
Bush" items - not even as you said "to amuse and
entertain people." Why? Because you would realize
that, intended or not, it would seriously offend people
in a very significant and substantial manner.
And so if you would not offend these other people - regardless
of whether or not you disagree with them on important issues
- why are you so willing and seemingly eager to offend those
of the Catholic/Christian persuasion?
You cast some stones at Christians (and some of them hit
their mark). But how are you any better than those
you accuse when you show your own prejudice by deeply offending
Catholics and Christians when you would not do so to other
groups of people?
Scott, I do believe in Him whom you have defaced, and I
will pray that you will find it within yourself
to begin treating your Christian sisters and brothers with
the same decency that you would treat anyone else on the
face of this planet we call home.
-Tom
From:
Scott Ritcher / saintclinton.com
To: Tom
Sent: September 22, 2004
Dear
Tom,
I
feel I did not deface your God. I defaced a replica of an
18th Century painting of a white person who no more resembles
Jesus than
Ted Nugent. To me, the significance put into Catholic sacred
imagery seems eerily akin to idolatry. It's a picture. It's
not Jesus himself. The man in the picture isn't even dressed
like a poor fisherman of the day would have dressed. He
is dressed like a territorial, political king would be.
I
just don't understand how certain arrangements of paint
or pixels can be considered as an attack against a religious
group. The small image here at the right is the same "Saint
Clinton" image that has caused such outrage, but the
pixels have been rearranged. Is it offensive now? Everything
that made it "disgusting" and "sickening"
is still there, but I have a feeling if this image was being
discussed in newspapers it wouldn't have ignited the same
firestorm.
Sure,
if it was an image of Catholic priest being sexually pleasured
by a young altar boy, I could understand the anger. The
extra irony here is that President Clinton is still demonized
and called abhorrent as a result of sins for which he has
confessed and asked forgiveness, while officials in the
Catholic church have gone out of their way to protect themselves
and criminal child molesters from prosecution, even at the
cost of subjecting more innocent children to truly sickening
and disgusting acts. That is to say, acts that are sickening
and disgusting to people of any faith; even to atheists.
Scott
Ritcher |
"DISGUSTING"
Offensive,
disgusting, and blasphemous.
-Al
"OUR
LORD DOES NOT DESERVE THE IRREVERENCE"
This young
man has only dishonored himself and his talent, which is
a gift. He has mocked the one individual who gave the
"ultimate gift" to save humankind.
Being
raised Catholic, he can not claim ignorance for what he has really
done. Our Lord does not deserve the irreverence of such caustic
humor - sad and childish as it is.
As
long as there is "free will," there will be occasions
when man will let God down - and each other. Sadly, this is one
of them.
-Valerie
"GOD
HIMSELF JUDGES EVIL WITH TERRIBLE RETRIBUTION"
12
years in Catholic school? Wow! You surely missed the point. Please
don't use the "turn the other cheek" as it's only Christian
to be a door mat to evil. Please don't teach theology. You admit
you're not a Christian. You have an opinion obviously...that's
OK. Just don't teach your opinion as fact or faith. Read
the Old Testament. God himself judges evil with terrible retribution.
It's about love and the other side is sin and judgement. You
can't one one without the other. Oh well. Deaf ears.
Wish
you enlightenment.
-Susan
"THE
MERCHANDISE YOU SELL IS OFFENSIVE"
IHS
Dear reader,
Peace be with you. I rose this morning and offered my day to my
God through Jesus. I thank my Jewish Savior for His love and His
grace, and I offer Him my efforts on His behalf.
Which is why the merchandise you sell is offensive, even to someone
who enjoys irony and humor.
To
take an image of Christ and distort it for profit is callous and
careless.
To
an unbeliever, the closest parallel might be distorting a picture
of a loved one or a parent, and holding it up for public ridicule.
Lighten up, you might say. I am. God is bigger, you might say.
He is. What calls forth a response from me is Love. And while
you may have the "right" to mock Love, that does not
of itself make it right.
Yours,
-Aron
"THANK
YOU IN ADVANCE"
Please
remove this display of 'hate speech' from this planet. I thank
you in advance,
-Jeff
"NOTHING
GOOD"
Sep
20, 2004, at 11:38 AM Andrew wrote:
I
guess it wouldn't be offensive to me if it was in the general
"style" of a saint's portrait. I'm not Catholic,
but isn't this a "pose" reserved for Jesus Himself?
Have you considered creating more of a "saint"
image of Bill rather than a complete deification?
Also,
just one quick point: separation of church and state, as
you may have already heard, is not in the Constitution.
The original leaders of the 13 colonies were mostly Christian
churchmen who fled religious persecution in their European
homelands. What they were afraid of was the newly crafted
federal government endorsing a denomination or religious
house -- like the Roman Catholics, Episcopalians, Baptists,
Presbyterians, Pentecostals, or Quakers. Their notion of
separation bears no resemblance to what many believe --
that there should be no mention of God and no effort to
"convert non-believers" in public life. That kind
of suppression is the kind of persecution they were fleeing,
and when I hear you talk in ways like, "The vast majority
of people who do not share Catholic or other Christian beliefs
must constantly sit by quietly and absorb – or try
to ignore – the unending stream of preaching ..."
I wonder what you may have planned for me and my family.
Nothing good, from that kind of rhetoric.
I
agree with you that modern Christianity is probably less
Christian that Jesus would have it... but Christianity is
defined by beliefs and actions -- both of which must be
harmonious with His revealed Word to us. If you continue
to flame public antagonism toward the beliefs, pretty soon
you'll have less and less of Christian actions, which we
already have too little of.
I'm
interested to hear back from you if you'd like to dialogue.
I don't believe I have bashed you. If I have, feel free
to point out where I have. I'm saying this because I am
hopeful you won't just try to bash me. You have obvious
talent, and I'm always interested to talk with artistically
talented people.
-Andrew
From:
Scott Ritcher / saintclinton.com
To: Andrew
Sent: September 20, 2004 7:21:23 PM EDT
hello
andrew,
thanks
for writing. as you can imagine, i have been flooded with
emails lately, so i am considerably unable to respond to
all of them, nor would i feel it would be productive in
some cases. i decided to write back to you, however, because
i really appreciate the civil, polite and educated way you
addressed the issues.
i
realize that what i've done is apprehensible to some people
and yet wildly entertaining to others (including some christians).
i first want to say that i wish no one any ill will. i have
nothing planned (as you put it) for you or your family.
i sincerely feel, and to an ever more increasing level,
that christian people, especially the fervently devoted,
are simply unable to see what life in america is like to
those who don't share the same beliefs. things that christians
do all the time are so very offensive to others, that i
can't believe the reaction i've received at publishing what
i consider to be a picture of something humorous. i believe
in god, but (obviously) not in the sanctity or sacrilege
associated with particular arrangements of paint or pixels.
i feel the name and invocation of god is too often thrown
around in a disrespectful way, and i understand that many
people are as offended by my art as i am by slogans such
as "god bless america" and "god bless our
troops" - two blessings i feel god might be reluctant
to issue. i can't imagine men shooting guns in another person's
home are worthy of god's blessing.
i
could go on and on. i really just wanted to thank you for
being so respectful of my beliefs even though you do not
agree with them. it would be nice if all the mail i've received
could have been as respectful, sharing and inquisitive.
that's what i think america should be more of; a respect
for other's opinions, especially if they differ from our
own. we're all in this together and while we might not agree,
we will be better off if we understand and accept each other's
beliefs and their right to believe whatever they want.
best
regards,
scott ritcher. |
"I'VE
GOT NEWS FOR YOU"
I've
got news for you, as I often do for the intellectually deplete.........
Bill Clinton had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the booming 90's
economy, and I challenge you to give us one thing he did to even
phase it! He simply enjoyed the credit for the results of
Reagan's work.
Oh by the way, there are two sets of saints in history; the ones
who were pretty good, and the ones who were extremely corrupt. I
think we know which one Bill belongs in.
Greg
[Note:
This message was sent in bright blue letters in the Sans font.]
'YOU
ARE A VERY ILL PERSON"
You
are a very ill person. -C.R.
"TOILET
PAPER"
offer
it as a roll of toilet paper and I'll buy.
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. ---Joshua 24:15
-David
[Note:
This message was sent in turquoise letters in the Comic Sans font.]
"REGARDLESS
OF YOUR INTENT"
Having
been raised a Roman Catholic, you probably know the story of Christ's
passion.
I just wanted to share with you a brief thought:
"And plaiting a crown of thorns, they put it upon His head...And
they mocked Him, saying Hail, King of the Jews"
Whether you believe that the man who beaten, scorned and
mocked one Friday was anything more than a man, what good can
come from mocking a man in those circumstances? Any
man. There is an inherent dignity in every human individual,
solely by virtue of their humanity. No person can give us
that. No one can take it away.
I think the kind of mockery you portray here tries to take peoples'
individual human dignity away. You make a mockery of many people's
idea of a beloved image of their God; you make a cruel mockery
of Mr Clinton; you make a mockery of that mysterious man who
was crucified 2000 years ago, and of every human who has ever
been - or is being right now, today - unjustly tortured,
beaten, mocked and humiliated.
The world surely does not need more of this, regardless of your
intent.
Peace. - Sandy
"THANKS
FOR THE LAUGH"
Funny
as hell, especially for a conservative non-christian.
Thanks for the laugh. -S.D.
"OUR
FOREFATHERS CAME TO THIS COUNTRY FOR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM"
Dear
Scott Richter,
As
a practicing Catholic I find your Saint Clinton merchandise totally
offensive. You have taken "artistic license" way too
far in your use of a beloved representation of Jesus Christ and
defaced it with the image of President Clinton. Hiding behind
your First Amendment rights does not give you free reign to cheapen
others rights and beliefs for profit. This is something which
you probably didn't consider when you came up with this really
offensive portrayal of the former president. You have offended
many Catholics in this community, as you are probably now aware.
President
Clinton did both good things and bad things during his tenure
as president and he had human failures as do we all. Only time
will tell wether Mr. Clinton is remembered as a great man in is
own right, but he is not a Saint nor is he Jesus Christ, just
human like the rest of us. I would hope that if you have any conscious,
or sense of decency at all, you would reconsider selling this
merchandise.
Our
forefathers came to this country for religious freedom. I would
not mock, nor make fun, of anyone else religion; and I would appreciate
it if you would consider not mocking, or making fun, of my religion
either.
-Kathy
and Jim
"YOU'D
BETTER STUDY UP ON WHAT MAKES A SAINT"
You've
got to be kidding! What traits does this man have that qualify
him as a "saint?" I think you'd better study up on what
makes a saint a saint before you bestow it on someone. The picture
is one thing, but dumping your spiritual ignorance on
the public through this picture is what really offends me. Be
responsible and keep your toxicity to yourself.
-Colleen
RE:
BAD TASTE
Just
an opinion on St. Clinton - it's crap. Do something useful in
this world instead of getting mileage from a total loser and a
total winner. I assume you know the difference, but I could be
wrong.
-Dave
READER
VS. READER:
"YOUR
PATHETIC LITTLE BIT OF EXPOSURE WILL COST YOU YOUR SOUL"
This
is the most sickening and revolting thing I’ve ever
seen. It is the basest form of sacrilege – not to
mention nauseating… literally!
How sick does someone have to be to condone such trash;
but more importantly…how sick and perverted does
one have to be to have created such cold and perverted
crap????!!!
This is not only offensive to Christians, but to Mothers
everywhere!!! Not to mention those who are revolted
by Bill Clinton…Democrats and/or Republicans!
You
and your group think you are so “in vogue, up-to-the-minute
and part of the liberal elite”. In fact, you are
sad, pitiable and useless. And these trends and
fads come and go. When being part of this “liberal
elite” passes, you will still be sad, pitiable and
useless.
I hope you enjoy your earnings (if any) for this Godless
endeavor, because life and your 15 minutes of fame are
fleeting and your pathetic little bit of exposure will
cost you your soul and an eternity of pain. Your mother
should have aborted YOU.
-Pam
RE:
WWJD, PAM?
This
message is for “Pam”, who recently wrote,
in response to your ‘Saint Clinton’ image,
that your mother should have aborted you.
Pam,
that is not a very Christian (or motherly) thing to say.
I wonder if Jesus Christ would encourage or embrace your
support of abortion. I would imagine not. I wonder if
Our Savior would bless your unforgiving, hateful, and
judgmental attitude toward this young man.
Pam,
surely you know what the Good Book says about judging.
“Judge not, lest ye be judged.” (Matthew 7:1)
I am disturbed that as a woman who identifies herself
as aligning with Christianity, you are able to sit in
such furious judgment of someone (and his mother) and
condemn his soul to “an eternity of pain”.
What
we now refer to as “The Sacred Heart of Jesus”
image, is not a photograph of Christ. It is not a painting
or snapshot of Our Lord. It is an artist’s rendering
(designed in Italy in the 18th century) that Christians
have embraced. It has been modified, altered, and updated
over the course of hundreds of years. ‘Saint Clinton’
is also an artist’s rendering that you happen not
to appreciate.
Pam,
I implore you, if you decide to truly follow the teachings
of Jesus Christ (rather than using Christianity as an
excuse to judge and hate others), you should begin to
pray for this young man. He has lost his way, and needs
humanity’s help to achieve salvation. In the meantime,
I will be praying for you, Pam.
Amen,
-Pete
[Pam,
This picture of Bill Clinton is the "the most sickening
and revolting thing" you have ever seen? Where do
you live? Have you ever watched the news? Have you ever
seen a homeless person begging for food? Have you ever
watched open heart surgery on TV? Have you ever seen a
Carrot Top movie?]
|
RE:
HRMM
What's
the story on that Saint Clinton stuff? And the "I love abortion"
junk? Certainly you realize how disgusting and radically offensive
this trash is. What has compelled you to do something so horrid
and despicable? Just wondering... Peace.
-Shaun
RE:
CLINTON PICTURE
Mr.
Scott Ritcher, The "saint Clinton" pictures that you
have been distributing are quite offensive and insensitive. I
ask that you please stop distributing them.
God
Bless, A. A.
"THINK
ABOUT IT"
As
a Catholic who takes the Sacred Heart of Jesus very seriously,
I find it highly offensive that you would place anyone's face
of Jesus' in that picture. I find it intolerant, ignorant and
insensitive and I urge you to please stop selling your merchandise.
You have your opinions and can say Clinton is a saint (which he's
not), but please do not defame that picture as is means a lot
to Catholics around the world. In addition, I find your baby t-shirts
and bibs that say "I love abortion" stupid and disgusting.
Why would a baby ever love abortion when abortion would have kept
him from being born? Think about it.
-Shirley
RE:
IT HURTS
Regarding
your saint clinton image.... your amusement is painful for some,
including myself. So you are amused using religion as a
joke. Some of us are hurt by your humor.
-Vincent
"BLASPHEMY!!!!!"
BLASPHEMY!!!!!
Don’t worry about my opinion, but God will judge any comparing
of Clinton (or anyone else) to Jesus Christ. You obviously are
not a true believer, otherwise such BLASPHEMY would never have
entered your mind or manifested into cups & mugs! God help
your soul!
-Kevin (a true believer)
[Kevin,
To people who don't believe what you do, blasphemy doesn't exist
any more than the Tooth Fairy, leprechauns, unicorns or Chewbacca.]
":(..."
This
is blasphemy!!! How dare anybody put together such trash?? This
is wrong and very sad!!! To take our Sacred heart of Jesus image
and post Clinton's face on him?? That is outrageous!!!! The "I
love the abortion" logo on a babies bib and thong is not
only disgusting, but is offensive and immoral and very STUPID.
Many Faithful Catholics are very upset and sad over these blasphemies.
I hope your happy. :(...
-Kenneth
"I
WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR ALL THOSE CHRISTIANS WHO... ATTACK YOU"
or
"AN
IMAGE ISN'T CHRIST HIMSELF AND YOU CAN DO NO REAL DAMAGE TO HIM"
Dear
Scott,
I'm a conservative Christian but I find your Saint Clinton art
to be very funny. No offense meant, but I always found Clinton
to be a joke and this image confirms that.
I want to apologize for all those Christians who have found it
necessary to attack you because of this image. After all, an image
isn't Christ Himself and you can do no real damage to Him. And
besides, when Christians react the way some have it kind of proves
your point, doesn't it?
Aside from being a Christian I am an award-winning artist (watercolor)
and used to be an award-winning art director and graphic designer
in advertising in the New York area. So I feel with these qualifications
and that of my being a Christian I can speak to you with some
authority. Oh, and I also have a BA in Biblical Literature.
I feel very sorry that you have such a bad impression of Christianity. Sure,
there are a lot of hypocrites and hopefully I'm not one of them
- although I know that I'm far from perfect. I don't try
to force Christ down anyone's throat as I know that won't work. Most
genuine Christians feel the same way. We offer what we believe
in but we want people to decide for themselves. And for those
who are searching for God we make information available. There
are a number of good preachers on TV and radio who preach to everyone
- not just unbelievers - and I can say that some have helped me
tremendously. You see I've been fighting stage 3 ovarian cancer
for the last 12 1/2 years and without some of these Christian
programs I wouldn't have had access to preaching many times when
I couldn't make it to church.
I believe in the freedom of all people to make their own choices
as far as faith goes. However, I believe very strongly that accepting
what Christ did on the cross is the only true way to go. See,
you get to choose and I don't judge you for your choice. Only
God has the right to judge.
One other thing is that you should check the Constitution a little
more closely. Separation of Church and State isn't in there. Thomas
Jefferson wrote about it in a letter to the Danbury Baptists,
but he wrote only to reassure them that the State wouldn't interfere
with their practice of religion. Not vice versa.
Let me give you some advice and you can take it if you want. Try
not to be offended by what Christians are saying and doing. Be
tolerant. After all, we Christians are being asked to be tolerant
of an awful lot and feel that those who don't agree with us should
do the same for us. So how about it?
-Debbie
[Debbie,
I wish everyone understood that speaking in an educated, cordial
way is the best route to getting those with opposing viewpoints
to appreciate where you're coming from. It also makes others more
willing to accept your view as a reasonable one, even if they
don't agree. Thank you.]
"I WOULDN'T LIKE GEORGE BUSH'S IMAGE AS CHRIST EITHER"
Hello:
I realize you are an artist, But: I think this is absurd. I
would be upset with anyone's image other than Christ himself. IM
an artistic person and against censorship. I
do believe that sometimes it takes commonsense to make up your
mind to do something that would offend people. I wouldn't like
George Bush's Image as Christ either. I was raised a catholic,
but I am an Episcopalian. Please try to understand why people
are offended. IM not some religious nut. I do find some of the
6 Flags over Jesus parishioners a bit much but you have to be
tolerant sometimes. I just find this image inappropriate. You
may not be religious. I find a lot of artistic people to be very
existential minded. I guess if you are a Clinton fan perhaps you
find this amusing but he's a serial adulterer. I feel that he
was a good Politician but in many way's he was offensive to women.
I believe the upbringing he had has a lot to do with the way he
conducted his life in office. Oh well""' That's my opinion,
everyone has one. Sincerely LA, Martinez
"YOU HAVE FAILED MISERABLY"
I
recently viewed the Saint Clinton image and merchandise at
your website. Although I'm not Catholic, I am standing with
my Catholic brothers and sisters in total disagreement with your
co-opting Christ for Clinton and then trying to make money
off it. It saddens me that what is sacred to others is fair
game for you. Is there nothing motivating in your life except the
pursuit of more money? If artistic expression is your driving
force, you have failed miserably here. Knowing Christ helps an
individual to live by precepts that encourage love and action
driven by that love. I will love you by praying for you that you
will understand that your actions in creating this image have
hurt others by its offensiveness and by your insensitivity. Nothing
is accomplished by its creation except ridicule at Christ's
expense (which He said would happen*) and your making
money off of it. I pray that one day your heart is changed by
His.
Jesus is Love. -Frances
*Luke 6:22-26
"THE
REASON FOR 9/11"
September
20, 2004 6:25 PM EDT
You
people are crazy......................to think he was
a good president just because the economy was good
during his terms, His no action to all the bombing
we had in the 90's is the reason for 9/11
-Wallace
From:
Scott Ritcher / saintclinton.com
To: Wallace
Sent: September 20, 2004 7:31 PM EDT
You
seem to be interested in the reasons for 9/11, so I thought
you might like to see what its mastermind has to say about
American foreign policy. Now that we have a government who
is attacking foreign lands and assaulting the honor of others,
we should expect more of the same from the terrorists who
have seen no dramatic shift to a Christianlike foreign policy.
"[Western
nations] rip us of our wealth and of our resources and of
our oil. ... They kill and murder our brothers. They compromise
our honor and our dignity and dare we utter a single word
of protest against the injustice, we are called terrorists.
The
United Nations' insistence to convict the victims and support
the aggressors constitutes a serious precedence which shows
the extent of injustice that has been allowed to take root...
America
has no shame. ... We believe that the worst thieves in the
world today and the worst terrorists are the Americans.
Nothing could stop [America] except perhaps retaliation
in kind.
American
history does not distinguish between civilians and military,
not even women and children. [Americans] are the ones who
used bombs against Nagasaki. Can these bombs distinguish
between infants and military? America does not have a religion
that will prevent it from destroying all people. We do not
have to differentiate between those dressed in military
uniforms and civilians. As far as we are concerned, they
are all targets...
This
is my message to the American people: look for a
serious government that looks out for [your] interests and
does not attack others, their lands, or their honor."
(Osama
bin Laden, May 1998)
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/who/interview.html
-Scott
Ritcher |
RE: ST CLINT
You
are as much a bigot as the "fundamentalists" you no
doubt despise. This may come as a shock to you, but bigotry works
both ways.
-Charles
"YOUR
IGNORANCE...PROBABLY EXCUSES YOU SOMEWHAT"
I
have no objection to your attempt to portray Bill Clinton as a
saint, but your artwork has gone too far in that you have not
made him a saint, but a neo-Jesus Christ. That is why the writers
in the feedback section are so inflamed. Putting
the Sacred Heart symbol on his chest signifies Jesus, not
a saint, and indeed is high blasphemy. I'd say "shame on
you", but your ignorance of Catholic belief probably excuses
you somewhat.
It
would have been far more acceptable, and even more tongue-in-cheek,
to picture him in a flowing robe with a halo above his head and
holding a couple of white lilies which, in religious art, signify
purity, a virtue that never got in the way of Clinton's actions.
-Dianne
"FOR
EVERY TV PREACHER... THERE ARE A HUNDRED OTHER... ANTI-CHRISTIAN
STATIONS"
Mr.
Ritcher,
First
of all let me say that I realize that your most recent work is
probably intended to be humorous, but you must also realize that
most people (myself among them) do not think that it is at all
amusing or appropriate. You responded to your critics by quoting
the widely known yet easily misunderstood verse "Judge not,
lest ye be judged". When Christ said that he did not mean
that we should just blindly accept everything that everyone does
in fear of judging another person. Surely man cannot see the heart
nor should he assume what the heart holds; this is what Christ
did not want to happen. But we are to judge the actions and the
fruits of the actions of other men. If not, what good is the law
or government? Christ spoke out against the corruption of the
religious leaders as well as the immorality of the people, so
how can it be said that we should not oppose wrong-doing?
You
also suggested that we as a country should turn the other cheek,
in this statement I can only assume that you were referring to
Afghanistan and Iraq. Again, you misunderstand the meaning of
Christ. Yes, Christians are supposed to turn the other cheek when
we face pursecution and when we are wronged, but governments and
law enforcement are charged with the protection of the people
who live under them and they cannot turn the other cheek. Many
people think that God doesn't care about sin because he loves
us, this is not the case. Though God does love us beyond anything
that we can imagine, he also cannot abide sin nor can he allow
it to go unpunished. This is why God sent his son so that he could
pay the price of sin and those who choose can have their sin judged
there on the cross by accepting the gift that Jesus is holding
out to us.
I
don't know how you can look at this society and see an imbalance
on the side of Christians. When most of the media, Hollywood,
and the society is pushing immorality, irresponsibility, and the
attitude that there is no ultimate right or wrong, how can you
say that Christian views are being forced upon you? For every
TV preacher (many of whom do not teach true Christianity) there
are a hundred other non-Christian and anti-Christian stations,
and our plight is little better on the radio.
I
truly hope and pray that you will consider the things that myself
and others have said, and I am sorry if you have been offended
by mean-spirited comments from those who call themselves Christians.
Respectfully,
-Eric
DEAR
SIR
You seem to have forgotten some other images that could have been
added
to St. Clinton. Such as, Monica Jennifer, Paula and many others.
"COMPARED
TO OUR CURRENT THIEF... BILL IS A TRUE SAINT"
What
a wonderful way to poke fun at the right wing zealots. Compared
to our current thief of the White House, Bill is a true Saint.
Thanks. [anonymous]
"IT'S
A SHAME"
Mr.
Ritcher, Even a person who has a pretty good sense of humor would
find this offensive; even non-catholics see the sacrilege here.
It's a shame that people stoop to "shocking" people
to make money, especially when it is against another's religion.
-Judy
"I
WANT SOME"
Your
Saint Clinton is amazing. I want some buttons. Are you selling
them anywhere in Louisville or are you just on the web? Also,
I recently discovered KCM. Fantastic magazine.
-Michael
"GROSS
IRREVERENCE"
What
BLASPHEMY!! For someone to distort the holy picture depicting
the Sacred Heart with the superimposed head of Bill Clinton borders
on sacrilege, which is a gross irreverence toward a hallowed person,
place, or image. Piece of crap.
-Sam
"!!!!"
An
Absolutely digusting idea and not in the least funny!!!! Clinton
is a sleazeball---and a vulgar human being!!!
[anonymous]
RE:
HOLY MOLEY!
You will sell a kazillion pieces of this art. I hate his guts,
so I think it would be great to hang on my wall and throw darts
at it !!! But I'll bet you hate him, too. Fess up!
-Nelly
"GOD
SAYS... HE PUT THE ANIMALS HERE FOR OUR USE"
I
read your responses about Christians and while your artwork is
irrelevant to me, your uneducated views on Christianity are sad.
Like most people who choose to hate another yours is based on
ignorance. To simply take pieces of verses out of the bible and
quote those saying this is how Christians should live is absurd
at the least. To fully understand the bible you must have a relationship
God and communicate with him. So you went to catholic school,
that doesn't mean you understand anything. The bible itself is
not the key to understanding, God is. One last comment,
you say you love all of God's creatures and that is why you are
vegetarian. God says in Genesis that he put the animals here for
our use. Anyway, I saw no sense in bashing you and I use the term
"uneducated" only to describe your view on the subject
at hand, not you as a whole. So, I will say a prayer for you that
you may seek God and experience all of the blessings he has in
store for you. This is Jesus' love for me that I will pass on
to you.
Sincerely,
-Brian
[Brian,
I don't hate anyone, especially not any religious group. I was
just trying to point out that Christians are the only religious
group who feel it's their duty to preach to/convert/save people
who believe in other religions. I can't think of any other religious
group that goes out of its way to get into other people's business.
The fact that a lot of US policy is discussed from the standpoint
of morals rather than ethics or equal fairness is very disheartening
to those who don't share the same beliefs as the legislators.
Everyone in America should be able to practice their own beliefs
regardless of how others feel about it. While I think abortion
is very unsavory, I would never feel like I would have the right
to tell someone else they can't do what they want with their body.
And while I'm not homosexual, I don't think it is anyone else's
right to prevent someone who is gay from enjoying the same rights
everyone else has.]
"LORD
SATAN BUSH"
Oh
gollygoshgoddamn. Saint Clinton -- perfect. But the baby I heart
Abortion t-shirt is the funniest thing in the world right now
for me, this Tuesday morning, 2:30 am, in the year of our Lord
Satan Bush 2004.
--your
radio friend, Bat
"ALL EVENTS ARE PREDESTINED"
I
am sorry you feel that your life is worse off than it was 4 years
ago at the hands of one man. My life is great, but I don't think
it would have changed much, regardless of who is in office. Nothing
happens by chance, and all events are predestined, no matter who
the captain of the ship.
As
far as your art goes, Christians will get upset by it because
it is viewed as blasphemy. I am not apologizing for my fellow
Christians, just saying that sometimes all of us at some time
or another, will speak before thinking. Yes, we are not to judge,
especially when beliefs are not the same.
I
am not judging you, and would hope the same from you, from some
things I have read, I just needed to speak my peace, because everyone
is so quick to bash each other.
This
country was founded on Godly principles, but everyone is free
to believe and say whatever they want.
[anonymous]
"IT
MUST REALLY DISAPPOINT YOU HILLBILLY'S"
On
Sep 20, 2004, at 12:33 PM, DOUG wrote:
These
assholes are absolutely crazy. This pinhead is no more a
Saint then he is trustworthy. Goes to show what some good
ole backwoods ingenuity can really produce. It must really
disappoint you hillbilly's knowing that Clinton doesn't
wear a mullet, or you'd have the ultimate portrait. "Kentucky:
Five Million People; Fifteen Last Names"
-Doug
From:
Scott Ritcher / saintclinton.com
To: "DOUG"
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 3:53 PM
doug,
based on the words spelled incorrectly in your missive,
i feel you shouldn't be the one calling other assholes hillbillies.
maybe you should have your mom look over your letters in
the future before you hit the "send" button.
-scott
ritcher
On
Sep 21, 2004, at 10:38 AM, DOUG wrote:
I'm
sure it's hard for you to keep going back to the dictionary
to check your spelling Scott. (Notice the capital "S"
here). I'm sure somewhere in the backwoods you can find
a computer with spell check and even grammar check if you
want! It's got to be hard for you to determine when something
is written intentionally, ("ole") Scott. Maybe
you should take some of you own advice. Have your mom look
your letters over before you push the "send" button.
Or maybe you can have your sister do the same, after all
in Kentucky they both may be the same person.
-Doug
From:
Scott Ritcher / saintclinton.com
To: "DOUG"
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2004 3:04 PM
hey
doug,
i
was speaking of the words "then" which should
be "than" and "hillbilly's" which should
be "hillbillies." i understood that "ole"
was intentional, and apparently you thought that was the
only unusual spelling in your letter. i'm glad we had this
little talk. you can thank me in heaven.
love,
scott.
On September 22, 2004 at 9:54 AM DOUG wrote:
Thanks
for pointing that out. We don't have many opportunities
(?) to use the word Hillbilly much out here.
Be
careful Scott showing up to the pearly gates with that Saint
Clinton picture in your hands. The last time I checked there
was no Saint Clinton. That might be a big mistake. So I'd
better thank you now.
Thanks
-Doug |
"A
LARGE MAJORITY OF US DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS PERVERSION ON TV"
You
said you were raised a catholic, so how can you mock the saints
that you were taught about in school like this. I also think that
your abortion bib is a very sick idea. You complain about the
religious programing on TV and radio, well what about all the
sex, violence and filth that is all over the TV and radio. Do
you think that it is all right to show this garbage to our children.
A large majority of us don't want to see this perversion on TV
but it is imposable to turn the TV on and not see this junk. You
say you don't want to see our programing but it is only on a few
channels where this other garbage is on every channel. As for
war read your bible it is full of wars, all the nations of the
world were always attacking Israel. Yes the bible says not to
judge unjustly therefore I do not judge you. I do however judge
your work and do not think there is anything remotely funny about
it. MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOU.
-John
"GOD
WILL JUDGE YOU APPROPRIATELY"
Unfortunately
you reside in a country where you can exercise your first amendment
rights. I wish I could express my true feelings without resorting
to profanity but I am satisfied that our God will judge you appropriately.
If
you really believe, how about Allah tees, mugs, lunch boxes, etc.
in Saudi Arabia? But then again you only have one head.
IN
GOD WE TRUST
-Cecil
"STICKERS
REFERRING TO BUSH AS AN ILLEGITIMATE PRESIDENT ARE INDICITIVE
OF THE AUTHOR'S IGNORANCE"
To
whom it concerns, if anyone,
There is really nothing that can be said that would make your
"art" or some of the bumper stickers on your site any
more ludicrous. The depiction of Clinton as Christ doesn't offend
me as the Body of Christ is not to take offense from anything
in this world. It is nothing more than a weak attempt at blasphemy
by a worldly person who wouldn't know God if He sat beside him.
Thus, the painting is powerless.
The bumper stickers referring to Bush as an illegitimate President
are indicative of the author's ignorance. They're not offensive
by any means, just a representation of willing blindness and hatred.
Every single person that has ever served as President of the United
States has been elected by the Electoral College, period. Your
man lost according to the rules, so you want to change them. Sad.
Go vote for John Kerry, a man who can't even take a stance on
an issue and stick with it. Some leader!
-M.S
"HIS
WOUNDS ON THE CROSS WERE NOT MEANT TO BE A LAUGHING MATTER!"
This
is shameful! You have no respect for God or for people's religious
beliefs. It is pathetic that there may be a market out there for
this kind of stuff. When you are face to face with the Lord, I
dont think you will find it so funny. His wounds on the cross
were not meant to be a laughing matter!
-M.N.
RE:
SAINT CLINTON
Sir,
I will pray for you as you are Lost.
-Deanne
"THE
ACLU IS THE BIGGEST THREAT TO ALL OF OUR FREEDOMS"
or
"EVOLUTIONISTS
BELIEVE THAT THE COLORED RACES ARE LESS EVOLVED"
Scott
Ritcher, First of all I would like to say that you have some sever
honesty in your written speech seen on "Worldnet Daily".
I am a Christian and I'm also appalled at the way some Christians
act and react to society. The truth is, it could be that many
of them are not Christians at all or just simply acting on the
flesh for which we all are made of.
Secondly
I would like to say that your view of the Separation of Church
and State is backwards. This was never meant to keep the church
out of politics or the state but to keep the state/politics out
of the church. This is actually the exact opposite of ho the statement
is viewed and used. Think about it! America was founded on freedoms,
that which we receive from God, it from men nor women nor any
government. The problem lies in the fact that if we all realized
that our value and worth came from God himself, we wouldn't need
to have women's rights, civil rights, or gay rights. We already
have them from above. They need not be laid in stone again or
written in blood in the court rooms or law offices. They can all
be found in the Bible, God's Holy Word. That is where we have
lost focus. Whether you believe in it or not is beside the point,
you would still have those inalienable God given rights, if they
are being governed and enforced by those who know them and have
the correct relationship with God.
As
far as Christians on the airwaves and TV., you as an American
have the right to turn them off. That would be a true use of your
rights. The sad thing is that Christians get upset because we
are continually forced to accept the beliefs and values of others,
our freedom taken away, when we do not get the same treatment.
I cannot tell you how many times the lifestyles, or beliefs of
other groups are shown in full capacity on TV., advertising or
written about in society to the extreme. If we choose not to agree,
we are called haters and a black label id giving to us. Why does
this never work in the opposite direction? I already know the
true answer, I'm being rhetorical.
The
ACLU is the biggest threat to all of our freedoms I believe. Why,
because we are being forced to give in, or not to have an opinion
on our own moral standards or beliefs. We are being forced to
accept the beliefs or life choices of others. That is not freedom,
it is the very absence of it. The civil liberties they fight for
is eroding the very heart of the basics of our country and what
it stands for. No matter what color, race or lifestyle you choose,
you have the same rights! Why can we simply not leave it at that?
Why are there special rights for these groups? Are they not American
citizens? If a black man is killed or a gay man is robbed does
there citizenship change? If the law breaker is caught, then prosecute
them as the law ordains. I simply do not understand the very nature
of their fight. Do you require special attention because you were
victimized? Should a black man killed get more or less attention
than a gay man killed? Are they both not counted as a loss?
Let
me give you an everyday example to better understand or make more
clear my point. I can and will truly say that I a problem with
the gay life style. I do not agree with it. That does not mean
I hate or will not associate with those who choose this lifestyle.
That is simply my opinion and I'm entitled to it. It's an American
right given to me! Before I receive some hate mail, end up in
court or I'm called a name or two, let me explain. That is simply
my opinion and belief. I have that right, just as you or anyone
else does to support or live that life style. As a Christian,
I'm also called to love that person with that lifestyle and/or
that opinion. Again, because of my Christian beliefs, I am to
love and accept this person with this lifestyle, but I do not
have to agree with it. Do we not all have friends or co-workers
that we get along with but do not always agree with the choices
they make? Is this any different than the previous example? Would
it not be better to have this type of lifestyle and to have a
Christian friend or leader who is called to love and accept your
choice, but just not support it? Unfortunately this type of love-the-person-hate-the-sin
type of viewpoint is many times not undertaken by Christians or
those claiming to be Christians.
Lets
face it, life is not easy. When growing up, if you're overweight,
if you're too skinny, if you have bad acne, or if you don't wear
the new stylish clothes you are picked on or looked down upon.
That's life! I'm not saying it's fair, but what I am saying is
that there does not need to be a law stating that you have every
right to have acne, be poor, be skinny or to be fat.
Is that not ludicrous? We already have laws or people in
authority to deal with these situations and to teach people to
be tolerant of others because we are all different. Unfortunately,
we cannot use corporal punishment any longer to go along with
the speeches made by teachers or administrative faculty. We are
forced to put the offender out in the hall or away from the other
students (which isolates them and may even strengthen their misunderstanding
or unacceptability) as punishment. This many times creates a greater
gap in understanding or tolerance by isolating them to form their
own little group or viewpoint rather than facing the responsibility
and dealing with it in the present. The way our society
is going, you will be breaking a law to even have an opinion.
I almost wrote, "You will be breaking the law by calling
someone names or even having the thought of calling them a name
because they are different". Believe it or not that those
very laws are already written in a book. Again the Bible. Jesus
taught it from the Sermon on the Mount. Yes, we will even be judged
by our very thoughts and it is only God who knows them and will
judge us righteously because of them. Wow, laws and decrees which
judge by our very thoughts and schemes. I bet many of you weren't
even aware that they existed. Once again, the view of Christianity
( God is the only righteous and true judge) is so far from any
human viewpoint of law making or forethought of fairness in judgment
created by man. Yes, the Bible was written by man, but it was
inspired by the Spirit of God to be written. I guess it makes
more sense when you realize why many, if not most of our forefathers
who wrote the Constitution, The Bill of Rights and the Declaration
of Independence were Christian and practiced their Christian beliefs
in their life and most importantly in their jobs/responsibilities
to their country.
Again,
if we could all embrace the idea that we are all made equal, all
with God given rights and abilities, than we would have no problem.
When we begin to accept the fact that we were created by an all
knowing, all powerful, all loving God rather than the idea (yes
an idea, not proving fact) that we evolved from an apelike man
we would begin to embrace the fact that we all have God given
value and worth. We need not receive it from any human source,
although God does command us to have a mutual respect of each
other and to encourage and embrace one another. It's all about
relationships, the most important being one with God then others.
For with out God, how do we know how to have the proper view of
love and relationship. Do you know that a book which is still
used in our public schools today (Teaching About Evolution) which
teaches evolution, states that since we evolved from ancient apelike
men we are all not at the same steps in evolution. Evolutionists
believe that the colored races are less evolved and are less advanced
rationally or cognitively? Is that not hate crime or racial in
intent? Why is that not being dealt with? I'll tell you why. Because
the only other alternative which has as much proven fact or is
the next best and equally possible hypothesis is the creation
example/belief laid out in the Bible! That's why!
To
get to the matter of your Clinton imagery, I do not agree with
it and I believe it is sacrilegious! In the truth of the matter,
I feel that you have taken an image meant to honor God and have
defaced it. But, it is only an image! The second biggest problem
is that we as a society do things like this and say it's just
for humor. If we really had the proper view of an all holy and
righteous God, we would not ever use God in a fashion to be made
humorous. Yes, you have the rights as an American to make the
image. I just do not agree with it. Will I push for a law banning
you to not be able to ever make an image like it again? Certainly
not, although as far as the ACLU seems to be concerned, I should
be able to have their support in having the image banned and never
able to be fashioned again, because it misrepresents/offends my
personal beliefs and goes against my freedom of religion. Yes,
again I'm being sarcastic, but here is a grain of truth to the
statement. I believe that there is already a law you have broken,
and it is found in the ten commandments (#3).This is a sin that
you will have to deal with and it's no laughing matter. I'm just
letting you know about it and asking you to not to use it for
our own sake.
If you want my honest opinion about your Clinton imagery, it is
a marketing scheme by which you are being used to make money off
of those you will make this a war on differences of opinion (Republicans
vs. Democrats). If you do make money from it, how about using
it in a way which gives praise to God, not offends Him!
-Shaun
The
following messages were sent to the web site of radio talk show
host Terry Meiners after an interview and discussion:
September
17, 2004
Re: "St. Clinton"
Dear Terry,
Enjoy your show, your gentle humor, your intelligence,
and your website. I also respect your viewpoints.
You call it like you see it.
On today's show I didn't catch all of the conversation you had
with the guy about the "St. Clinton" junk. But,
I heard enough to find his "artistic" concept to
be highly offensive and anti-Christ. However, I recognize
that he has that freedom.
When he was talking about people telling him what they think about his
stuff; he mentioned "keep it to yourself, people".
This is so typical of the foolish extreme-liberal belief
that "I'm OK, You're Not OK".
In other words, they feel that they have the freedom to say or
do anything they want; no matter how disgusting or offensive it
may be to you. But, you can't disagree or express
your views to them because that's "hateful and biased."
To him I say "you can just keep this blasphemy to yourself,
jerk." Thus, I just exercised MY first amendment
rights.
Terry, I just had to get that off my chest.
Sincerely,
George
TM: Your reaction mirrors many others I have received.
You have eloquently answered the artist with your critique.
Re:
The “Saint Clinton” Web site artist
That
interview you just finished with the idiot who put Clinton's face
in the statue of Christ is yet another example of the flippant
attitude people have nowadays towards morality. I wonder if the
man upstairs who has the final say on all matters was laughing
along with you'll. Doubt it.
Tim |
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